Why don't folks go and protest at the Westboro Baptist Church so these knuckleheads can feel what it's like? Oh, I forgot. Probably because the overwhelming majority of Americans are not intolerant narcissists. I am all for free speech so if any of them do show, I think they should be allowed to stand around with their signs. But it's about time they had to endure what they've been dishing out, especially to the families of our troops. They might stop their antics if they had to put up with protests outside of the funeral of one of their loved ones.

the catholic church does not condone homosexuality,the bible says that it is an abomination,but it also says do not judge ,lest he be judged,in other words god will judge them on the last day so unless you nit wits from westboro are without sin take your rocks and go home!!

Counter protest anyone?? Im in

Hi @Jeffrey,

Thanks for writing in! We're hearing reports of counter protests planned and are trying to verify. We'll post the information as soon as it's confirmed.

The Bible should be banned!

Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

1. Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
2. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
3. Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

Rabbinical / Priestly rules:
Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”
Leviticus 18:22 … “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids are being bullied into suicide …!

Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

www.HolyFaux.com

I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?

It’s now time to shut down the synagogues and churches with the torah & bibles with Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 13:12-16. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and peoples’ lives -- is shameful.

Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society – period.

How amazing it would be if all four congregations worshipped that day in each of the 4 churches. That and some human shields would send a message of what love and acceptance look like to the mentally deranged members of the WBC, as they apparently have not an ounce of compassion in their shrunken hearts. Cuckoos!

Look at all this intolerance. Ban the Bible? Because you are too lazy to read the words, and too rebellious to do your duty? God's arm is not shortened by rebels. God has opened his armory and he has brought forth the weapons of HIS indignation and this nation is being undone. You don't even see the hand coming down on with with the slaughter weapon tucked inside that will completely and finally dispatch this nation to hell, for real. You do however see the weapons that are making so many of your cities desolate. Hurricane Sandy is a wonderful work of God. Sandy Hook Elementary stands in the shoes of ALL the schools of Doomed america, where you put the children in the chairs and teach them to despise God and to disobey and rebel against his commandments. BAD PLAN! God promised such a nation as this that for that mischief, you could bring those children into this world, but you would do that for the murderer, you could bring them up, but he would kill them. God sent the shooter to Newtown, and to ANYtown, and to MANYtowns in USA, and he is not even getting warmed up. WOE to this nation for your disobedience. PA stands out in the nation, because you spawned Albert Snyder and stood by while he, and his military attorneys put Westboro on trial. It was against the laws of the land, the organic law of the nation. Where was your voice of opposition? For all this, prepare to meet your God rebels.

Your friends at Westboro Baptist Church,
By: Shirley Phelps-Roper

Look at all this intolerance. Ban the Bible? Because you are too lazy to read the words, and too rebellious to do your duty? God's arm is not shortened by rebels. God has opened his armory and he has brought forth the weapons of HIS indignation and this nation is being undone. You don't even see the hand coming down on you with the slaughter weapon tucked inside that will completely and finally dispatch this nation to hell, for real. You do however see the weapons that are making so many of your cities desolate. Hurricane Sandy is a wonderful work of God. Sandy Hook Elementary stands in the shoes of ALL the schools of Doomed america, where you put the children in the chairs and teach them to despise God and to disobey and rebel against his commandments. BAD PLAN! God promised such a nation as this that for that mischief, you could bring those children into this world, but you would do that for the murderer, you could bring them up, but he would kill them. God sent the shooter to Newtown, and to ANYtown, and to MANYtowns in USA, and he is not even getting warmed up. WOE to this nation for your disobedience. PA stands out in the nation, because you spawned Albert Snyder and stood by while he, and his military attorneys put Westboro on trial. It was against the laws of the land, the organic law of the nation. Where was your voice of opposition? For all this, prepare to meet your God rebels.

Your friends at Westboro Baptist Church,
By: Shirley Phelps-Roper

It's sad these protestors do not have anything better to do with their time. Go help a needy family or an older person. Now that would be productive!

Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; torahs – old testament/new testament bibles have been getting away with corruption and cultism based on bogus hocus pocus.

There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity and other religions. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews. Christianity is basically a 2013 year old fictional cult. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity! Christianity is a fantasy; which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.

It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people; such a wicked fantasy.

Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God.

The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff. The pope should be committed to an asylum -- for the religiously insane!

www.BogusHocusPocus.com

YAWN

How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus -- under his arm?

Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down.

Better worded as …”The Lunatic Fringe at Westboro Baptist Church; that should be locked up in an institution for -- the religious insane!”

Bibles and the torah which includes Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 13:12-16-- should be immediately banned … for promoting hatred against minorities … namely the gay community & violence and the crosses removed from all schools and churches.

Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don't shine and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever with its final station; extinction.
The Vatican basically supported Hitler and religion is responsible for more corruption and violence in the world. Pope Ratzinger was involved in the Nazi youth. The Pope with his blatant witchcraft related to the bible and its hateful beliefs; tries to rule with extreme prejudice against a world … that may fall victim to religions' absolute evil.

Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned. This holier than thou – written so there it shall be -- fallacy; should be stopped! It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … the bible and torah have been getting away with this for ages.
This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights. The pope, bishops; rabbis and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. Perhaps religious establishments have pushed too far from San Francisco to Canada -- and it may backfire to such a degree that the churches should be shut down!

I thought Sundays were for worship.

Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists - who practice their bogus hocus pocus - and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society.

Before Jesus ever got the idea he was the son of god; Simon was running around … 85 miles from Jesus … saying he was the messiah! Total bullshit! Fiction 101!

Religion is for the ignorant and insecure! Appreciate the one life and don't expect another!

Grant, why are you using this article about Westboro as a pulpit for your views? Isn't there a more well-suited venue? This article isn't about whether any church or religion in general is "accurate" or fallacy. This article is about Westboro doing some picketing in Bethlehem. Don't be a troll. Focus where your battles are best fought.

Westboro seems to be equally filled with hate as you are, albeit for different purposes. Perhaps you should both join forces and picket together? Make yourselves a Hate Brigade? One side: pro-gay, the other side: anti-gay ... united together in hate for everyone you both don't agree with. Because that will surely make things better.

Or how about you both just learn to get along with others, even if you don't agree with them? Your rants and protests and books are wasting everyone's time, wasting resources, hurting people, and making the world an even uglier place. And I don't think that's what God or The Big Bang would want either of you to do.

It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people; such a wicked fantasy.

www.HolyFaux.com

President Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC, USA 20500

Dear President Obama:

The Bible should be banned!

Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

Religion; is on the stand here … not the idiot Phelps’ hellhole church!

Religion; has become such filth – because one becomes smart enough to see through it – for what it is! Absolute … Cultism …!

The Right Honourable Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien told the Vatican that there was to be no cross erected over the Canadian Parliament buildings figuratively speaking; when the Pope demanded the Prime Minister go against gay rights. An Alberta bishop had the audacity to say that The Canadian Prime Minister would go to hell for going against the church. Such outrageous evil threats. The Right Honourable Prime Minister in return; basically told the Pope to go to Hell! The Honourable Irwin Cotler, Canadian Minister of Justice, stood for equal rights for the gay community. With reference to protecting the children: The Honourable Hedy Fry, member of the Canadian Liberal Parliament, who happens to be a doctor who delivered many babies; spoke eloquently to defend the rights of babies being born and stated that she was in fact defending their rights by speaking on behalf of equal rights for the children and youth of the future -- defending their integrity and dignity. Minority human rights issues must be decided by a dignified judicial system and/or a compassionate federal government.

A great story pertains to a boy at a catholic school in Oshawa, Ontario who wanted to take his boyfriend to his school prom. The evil catholic school forbid this. A father of one of the boys is an employee with General Motors Canada and the courageous union leader Buzz Hargrove stood up for the boys’ rights. The boy took his case through the courts and because the evil catholic school was benefiting from government funding which demands equal rights void of discrimination; the judge ordered the school to allow the two young boys to attend together. Their limo arrived at their prom with adoring onlookers.

My father fought at the front on D-Day in Normandy … through the Battle of the Scheldt to Germany and grand-father MacDonald was a Sgt. Major at Vimy. My Dad who was a catholic -- is alive today at 89 and doesn’t believe in santa-claus -- the easter bunny or any of that bogus cross related filth. Alan Turing broke the code for the enigima machine in World War II and was gay. He was persecuted after the war by the religious community and comitted suicide. Prime Minister Brown apologized on behalf of the United Kingdom.

The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff. The pope should be committed to an asylum -- for the religiously insane!

Shame on you protestors i agree do something positive with all that energy we are not here to judge anyone shame on all of you i will pray for you because you are the ones that need prayer

You religious idiots; keep your bogus cultist prayers & your corrupt proselytization to yourself! Respect intelligence … not culpability!

Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God.

Get a life Grant...or a Dog.

Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned. This holier than thou – written so there it shall be -- fallacy; should be stopped! It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … the bible and torah have been getting away with this for ages.

To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and peoples’ lives -- is shameful.

There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity and other religions. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews. Christianity is basically a 2013 year old fictional cult. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity! Christianity is a fantasy; which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.

Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down.

The bible; should be listed under -- fiction!

Westboro Baptist Church and the Phelps are totally nuts!

Grant,you and your uncle ronald mcdonald are living proof that state hospitals need to be reopened in pa.ive met a few atheist in my day and trust me on their last day they are praying they were wrong and for another chance,god bless

Grant
My father was an atheist like you. We were very close and would have debates about the reality of God.He was a B17 bomber pilot during the second World War. He flew 60 missions, had several crew members killed and brought two planes back that could only be used for spare parts. I believe this affected his outlook on God.He died quite suddenly at age 45. The night he died he appeared to me with tears in his eyes and holding a Bible out to me.I was 13 at the time and I know he was telling me that I was right and wanted to make sure I knew that.

You are right to enjoy to say enjoy the life you have. I feel sorry for you to miss the appreciation of the good things God has provided for us. If you don't believe in him why do you rail against him so ?

I'm glad Grant is not expecting another life. He's exhausting enough for 10 life times!

Grant, you sure do a lot of preaching. Talk about insecure!

Perhaps in today’s world of knowledge … your father would be a smarter man! Smart enough to see through the charade of hardcore nastiness in the bible and the hate that it instils in mankind throughout the world instead of LOVE!
The Phelps are the perfect example of wacked out religious idiots.
Watch the movie … Life of Brian. That is a better religious doctrine.
How do we fuck off oh lord? Brian says: I don’t care … just fuck off!
Get real!
www.BogusHocusPocus.com

President Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC, USA 20500

Dear President Obama:

The Bible should be banned!

Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

1. Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
2. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
3. Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

Rabbinical / Priestly rules:
Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”
Leviticus 18:22 … “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids are being bullied into suicide …!

Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

www.HolyFaux.com

I have a zoned out -- born again sister and I tell her that this born again bullshit … is nothing new! I went through it in California. Baptised again … in the Pacific Ocean … I was! What an idiot I was; to think that there is validity to this crap! Accept this life and be thankful for it.

What's the matter athiest Grant? Why are you so concerned about what everyone else believes? Worried you hedged your bet on the wrong side? You made your bed are you too worried to sleep in it? Wuss

It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society – period.

It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people; such a wicked fantasy ...!

Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists - who practice their bogus hocus pocus - and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society ...!

How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus -- under his arm?

Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down ...!

Isn’t it ironic that some Christians say that, “Oh no; we don’t believe in the hatred of the old testament” … yet the pope uses it against the gay community with such vile spewing of filth. The Vatican should be shut down and that idiot arrested and put into an insane asylum!

It’s because of the warped religious -- cultist ignorance … of parents; against the gay community … that kids are being bullied into suicide!
What ever happened to the saying … Love Your Fellowman?
That’s exactly what us gay guys are doing!
Where is the LOVE? Is it wrong to hold a cool guy in your arms and tell him … “I Love You” and be Loved in return?

Most homophobes are most likely jealous of the fact they are still basically left in the closet and will never share the love we gays share! The old testament and that moses crap; is so out of touch -- with reality!

It’s a damned shame that whenever one starts to believe in the supposed love of some preacher character named Jesus & the life/death/resurrection fantasy thing … that a rat trap comes down -- with this filth from the old testament … against the gay community! I’d just as soon call it all -- fiction!

Frank, you hit the nail on the head with this , he is worried what if he is wrong and wants to take a few with him , he preaches about those who preach,he should be silent and ride off into the sunset

Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society – period.

Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; torahs – old testament/new testament bibles have been getting away with corruption and cultism based on bogus hocus pocus.

There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity and other religions. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews. Christianity is basically a 2013 year old fictional cult. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity! Christianity is a fantasy; which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.

The venue for these comments has allowed one person to spew his vitriol toward God and religion in the same way that freedom to demonstrate would allow the Westboro folks to voice their hate soaked agenda. Perhaps the best way to regard both is to faithfully resolve not to allow them to dominate with their deficits.

Grant, not all religions shun gays. You are over generalizing. By asking the bible to be banned You are no better than Westboro Church asking to ban homosexuality. Your sexuality is your business so be proud and strong but don't ask the world to customize your world.

The theologians u speak of werent around at the time,u cant speak for all gays when u say they stand for equality,heaven forbid you disagree with them, they can be viscous haters too,grant live ur life and we,ll see who is right!!!!

Open letter to Fred Phelps / b. Nov. 13th.
From Grant MacDonald / b. Nov. 6th.
Reach into your heart and respect the gay world as being a legitimate natural part of society which should not be harassed by religious lunatics -- who base their beliefs on some … bogus hocus pocus!

We all owe the world compassion … with the gay world included!

http://www.macdonaldbank.com/BogusHocusPocus.html

It is ok to disagree but this anger and hatred is uncalled for i feel sorry foe people that have so much hatred i pray for you

Prayers are a waste of time!
One should appreciate each day of life and not expect another.

And we do each day is s gift

Religion; thinks it has the Freedom to Perpetrate & Perpetuate violence against the gay community… based on -- bogushocuspocus! Kids are being bullied based on cultish filth taught to the parents.
www.HolyFaux.com

President Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC, USA 20500

Dear President Obama:

The Bible should be banned!

Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

1. Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
2. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
3. Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

Rabbinical / Priestly rules:
Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”
Leviticus 18:22 … “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids are being bullied into suicide …!

Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE ...!

Talk about crazy meeting crazy. What say we lock Shirley and Grant in one of the church basements and then we can go on without having to listen to either?

It’s now time to shut down the synagogues and churches with the torah & bibles with Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 13:12-16. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and peoples’ lives -- is shameful.

Mr Grant,

It sounds like you have been wildly mistreated by the church at some point in time for your sexuality, for which I apologize. It is wrong for the church to have ostracized you.

I don't believe however, that you are entirely right in what you are saying. Your hatred is clouding your view of the facts. This "hocus pocus" book is more historically accurate than all of the works of Socrates, there is more recent and more of the historical documents supporting the Old Testament than for the works of Socrates. Yet do you question his work? You never heard him say those things, but do you question their validity? No. People don't.

You say that there is no way that Jesus rose from the dead, but there are over 500 eyewitness accounts that have claimed to see him after the historically documented crucifixion. All but ONE of Jesus's followers died a martyr's death because they proclaimed his resurrection. Would 11+ people die a torturous death for a hoax?

I can respect your not choosing to follow the religion I believe in. BUT I cannot respect your insulting things that you do not understand. You cannot claim that Jesus never existed because of history, BUT you CAN decide and defend whether or not he was the son of God he claimed to be. That is what makes you an atheist. To claim he never existed is merely ignorance.

Just thought I'd give you some historical insight...

May I also add Grant that you are being quite a hypocrite.

You are calling all religion and all Christians and Jews liars and haters an prejudiced.

Grant, that generalization is a prejudice too. Will you put away your prejudice just long enough to listen to yourself and realize that there is a possibility your prejudices may be wrong? I thought you were trying to support people being open minded here? How about you start by providing an example for us hmmmm?

Socrates didn’t concoct drivel aimed at the gay community! 500 people saw Jesus rise from the dead? What were they smoking? Must have been good Turkish hash or windowpane acid …! But really folks – I don’t believe a word of it. The same for Moses and his supposed evil writings -- which like our present day pope; adds “stations of the cross” … at his whim!

The little gecko is a more legitimate ancestor … and the ape!

Watch the movie ... Life of Brian & you may become intellectualized on religion!

The Phelps’ nasty indignation -- ignorance and religious cultist position is no different to the extremist Republican party which just went to defeat – manipulated by the corruption of the church; with the gay community as its bullied choice minority to go after! Mankind has fortunately evolved into a state of one wondering with a brain … instead of the heart – like some fairy tale of a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow -- because it would be so nice to live another life. Oh resurrection – OK where do I sign up? It’s just wishful thinking without any factual or scientific validity! The little gecko is a more legitimate ancestor … and the ape than any god!
Religion; is now self destructing -- because of written hatefulness -- against a sector of society … which has the courage to stand up with dignity!

You obviously missed my second comment on your hypocrisy at chatising all religion because they do not agree with what you believe

Hang on! Aren't you trying to force your beliefs on me right now? And isn't that what you are trying to fight against.

There were over 500 eyewitnesses. You are going to say they were ALL on strong hashish? AND many of whom were willing to DIE for this high dream? Now what sounds more far fetched?

Your issue with religion is that you see that it contradicts what you believe. That is a completely separate issue all together than whether or not Jesus existed.

I am a firm Bible-Believing Christian, and I agree with you there are problems within churches, however the point of Christianity does not lie in the followers it lies in the example. We don't claim that we are perfect, we only claim that Jesus was. That is a difference you have not distinguished quite yet.

Why is it then that the Christian faction; cherry picks what they want to believe – oh the old testament is pre-Jesus so we don’t believe that part – then you leave the element of a loving Jesus Christ -- like the pope does; and grabs the evil from the old testament to harass the gay community with evil that should not be allowed to exist in pulpits?

What did Jesus do after his resurrection? Did he become a great emperor and live for many years again in his born again state or did he just appear on a street corner in front of 500 and say …? ”See ya later folks … I got things to do and places to go … just remember ya saw me and that I am the son of god and ya all can do the same. See ya later buddy!”
Sounds like Jesus -- was a copycat preacher! I recall the story of Simon bragging he was the messiah – about 78 miles away from where Jesus lived and Jesus’ cousin John the Baptist … telling him all about Simon.

Most people apparently assume that the New Testament expresses strong opposition to homosexuality, but this simply is not the case. The six propositions that follow, considered cumulatively, lead to the conclusion that the New Testament does not provide any direct guidance for understanding and making judgments about homosexuality in the modern world.

Proposition 1: Strictly speaking, the New Testament says nothing at all about homosexuality.
There is not a single Greek word or phrase in the entire New Testament that should be translated into English as “homosexual” or “homosexuality.” In fact, the very notion of “homosexuality”—like that of “heterosexuality,” “bisexuality,” and even “sexual orientation”—is essentially a modern concept that would simply have been unintelligible to the New Testament writers. The word “homosexuality” came into use only in the latter part of the nineteenth century, and, as New Testament scholar Victor Paul Furnish notes, it and related terms “presume an understanding of human sexuality that was possible only with the advent of modern psychological and sociological analysis.” In other words, “The ancient writers . . . were operating without the vaguest conception of what we have learned to call ‘sexual orientation’.”1 (In the rest of this article I shall use the terms “homosexual” and “homosexuality” strictly for the sake of convenience.)

In short, there is nothing in the New Testament that tells us directly whether homosexuality per se is a good thing or a bad thing or simply a fact of life.
To be sure, when we consider its overall message, the New Testament may provide some indirect guidance regarding homosexuality. Indeed, it may well be the case that a twenty-first century “Paul” would revise Galatians 3:27–28 to read as follows:

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female, there is neither homosexual nor heterosexual; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

All we are asking is to be loved ... as we are!

Proposition 2: At most, there are only three passages in the entire New Testament that refer to what we today would call homosexual activity.
None of the four gospels mentions the subject. This means that, so far as we know, Jesus never spoke about homosexuality, and we simply have no way of determining what his attitude toward it might have been. Moreover, there is nothing about homosexuality in the Book of Acts, in Hebrews, in Revelation, or in the letters attributed to James, Peter, John, and Jude. Further, homosexuality is not mentioned in ten of the thirteen letters attributed to Paul. It is only in Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11 that there may be references to homosexuality.2 The paucity of references to homosexuality in the New Testament suggests that it was not a matter of major concern either for Jesus or for the early Christian movement.

I am fortunate to have had and still have two loving parents and remember a community who respected the gay world with a gay mayor re-elected three times!

To ever think of the generations of loving family members … who are ridiculed by the church and family and commit suicide because of anonymous religious lunatics – who purport that they are in a better place – is evil beyond evil! Being gay is a part of nature!
Loving you buddy or friend is LOVE which should be cherished and respected!

The paucity of references to homosexuality in the New Testament suggests that it was not a matter of major concern either for Jesus or for the early Christian movement.

LOVE and LET LIVE!

I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?

It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people; such a wicked fantasy.

Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God.

My understanding, as a Catholic, is that being homosexual is not a sin. The sin is if you act on it. Even if you do, that is between you and God. Who is to say that it is a worse sin than adultery or any other sin that I commit. Grant, your choices in life are between you and God. God is loving. I am sorry that you have had so much ugliness hurled at you in the name of God, but that doesn't excuse you hurling your ugliness at us. I have had proof of God in my life. I was at the point of wanting my life to end, I cried out to God. Without getting specific, He answered my prayer. The last 4 years have been a struggle, but it's a lot easier with God by my side. God fills me in. I try to live my life as best I can. I fail often, but I know that no matter what, God loves me and is there for me. I feel so blessed to know that. Nothing else or no one else matters. It's all about me and God. It is such a gift. I will pray for you.

Kim -- don't pray/prey for me! Perhaps you; yourself helped yourself get out of your issue! If the pope and Hitler are representative of the Catholic faith -- keep it away from me!

You didn't read my posts with any thought did you. I will pray for you as I'm sure you will continue to be a miserable arrogant ***hole. It your free will....lol...see how Ironic that last line was!

Kim; I read all your drivel!

President Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC, USA 20500

Dear President Obama:

The Bible should be banned!

Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

1. Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
2. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
3. Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

Rabbinical / Priestly rules:
Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”
Leviticus 18:22 … “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids are being bullied into suicide …!

Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE ...!

www.HolyFaux.com

As I say – religion is like a rat trap – whenever one reaches for any of it with a heart; it will try and crush your mind with hateful head-games that must be adhered to – to become a member of such a hate club! It’s the ultimate pyramid scheme --!
The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff. The pope should be committed to an asylum -- for the religiously insane!

Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; torahs – old testament/new testament bibles have been getting away with corruption and cultism based on bogus hocus pocus.

If gay people can’t be accepted with respect and dignity as the natural part of society … perhaps the world should bring back the arenas with the lions … to deal with the hateful -- religious lunatics! Tim Tebow could be one of the first with the pope and Pat Robertson following Fred Phelps – or perhaps the crucifixion thing … does have its merit! Those Romans were pretty smart!

lions love macdonalds!!!haha i havent looked at this in a few days and decided to check in on grant and hes still at it!grant you are becoming everything you despise

In the year 325 AD … Emperor Constantine -- who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity with the creative historian Eusebius; at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge; thus allowing christianity to be accepted by the Roman soldiers whom he needed to fight his Milvian battle. Romans previously crucified the christians or threw them to the lions. Emperor Constantine thereafter went to Constantinople/Istanbul to idolize Apollo and himself as a god. Constantine was basically a Pagan idolizing Apollo instead of Jesus! December 25th is the birthday of Mithras who preceded Christ.

I Love my Fellowman!

Religious lunatics are so wound up with being manipulated by fiction ... they can't see the forest -- for the trees!

I think Grant just lost his right to own a gun with that rant

President Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC, USA 20500

Dear President Obama:

The Bible should be banned!

Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.

1. Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
2. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
3. Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7.

Rabbinical / Priestly rules:
Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”
Leviticus 18:22 … “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”

Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids are being bullied into suicide …!

Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE ....

www.HolyFaux.com

I don't need a gun -- if I have a brain!

I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel.

The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff.

What a wonderful day for The Honourable President of the United States of America ... Barrack Obama!
The Republican Party; has self-destructed -- on the grounds of homophobia & religious corruption!
Someone left the door of the asylum ajar -- the religious extremists are loose & they are all in the Republican Party!
Religion; is the biggest bully on the block!

Be thankful for the republicans they are the ones payin the bills, lets divide the nation in half, liberals will give the farm away until theres nothing to give ,barrack has the key to the money printing press, so relax it can go on forever

This global financial downturn is all attributable to the one and only; Ben Bernanke … appointed by Bush! He wanted to slow down the buoyant economy while learning on the job -- and it cost the world economy upwards of $6 Trillion. He raised interest rates – week after week after week after week after weak - and watched the meltdown! Hope he learned the meaning of growth.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) seems intent on blocking Obama -- from paying the bills -- Republicans left behind … fighting Israel’s ongoing holy war & land grab. As long as NATO will provide soldiers and the U.S. provides the money … Israel pushes this arrogant “better than thou bull….” People don’t accept this chosen &%@# any longer!
NATO military presence in the West Bank -- sorting the illegal land grab of 1967 & expansion of the illegal settlements -- might resolve the global holy war issue with a bigger bang for the buck dealing the root cause – Israeli arrogance!
I look at Emperor Netanyahu; as the big NATO & U.S. tail-wagger & Cantor his butt licker … manipulating the world into trillions of dollars of war debt … cast onto the global taxpayers!
Cantor & Grover Norquist should be treated somewhat … like Romania President; Nicolae Ceausescu – a US government approved … hangin!

Reach out to each other … including the gay community … with LOVE & Compassion!

Grant, lol...maybe you should take your own advice. All you spew is hate and intolerance.

Try talking about LOVE and compassion towards the gay community to the evil pope and -- gee should we include Fred Phelps & other lunatic religious extremists?

I’m just reflecting how the congregation usually gets dumped on with this religious drivel!

Perhaps we may see a kinder and gentler evolution!